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Sɪeam Assistance Live Ban Appeal CityRP

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SteamID: STEAM_0:0:181672216

What type of ban (TeamSpeak or In-Game and server name): CityRP

How long is the ban: Permanent

Who was the banning admin: Paul Kellerman(STEAM_0:1:23822170)

Why were you banned: "Glitching out of Jail, FailRP, Possible Child Predator"


Why should we overturn your ban: The reason I was banned I believe was from someone with a warped perception of reality or a pre-pubescent like power complex, the situation was never investigated, and the ban was given out instantly with no prior issues with admins, besides a few jails for minor offenses. I would be happy to go on TeamSpeak and talk to the owner, or anything to get this resolved. Kellerman I believe is a staff manager or a high ranking administrator, so I think he would know better to hand out permanent bans without any investigation.

"Glitching out of jail" - This was the first part I didn't understand but ignorance to the situation via the admin was probably to blame. Around 5 minutes before I was arrested, I lockpicked the 2 sets of doors that lead to the jail cells to break out a friend. My friend had disconnected so I just shut all the doors behind me, and they were all unlocked. After I had left the jail cells, I got pulled over for a bullshit reason even though I was abiding all traffic laws, I sat down and kept saying "Wait for the admin to come, this is powergaming", I had "voice_enable" set to 0 while I was waiting for the admin to arrive because the cop was being extremely lofty and rude over voice, sitting down (Using Alt+E) on the road side was probably the "FailRP" part of the ban. Which I will accept "FailRP", I did not realise he was the admin at the time because he must had told me when I had voice_enable set to 0. I will accept the FailRP on my part because I should had let the cop arrest me, powergaming or not.

I don't even know if I should mention the last reason due to how rediculous it is, but it is a ban appeal so why not. So, "Possible Child Predator", I am suprised it doesn't say possible Al Queda member or something equally outlandish. I am a 17 year old, homosexual male. I remember asking if anyone under 16 wanted to team up with me, because I rather play with someone in my age group than one of the rude 30 year olds I come across in DN. I already have a boyfriend regaurdless, so i'm not trying to hook up with little boys. That's actually really disgusting. So either this is a reason meant to aggrivate me or the staff member is that naive (No Offense), but it's a federal crime to slander someone of being a child predator (This falls under Defamation)
and the staff member should probably be talked to by a higher ranking administrator.

To conclude this, I did FailRP. Did I "glitch out of jail"? No, I walked out because I had previously lockpicked all the doors prior to being arrested or 'booked'. Do I rape children? No.

I accept that I failRP'd but a permanent ban for quite steep, i'm not asking to be completely unbanned but maybe have it reduced to 3 days or a week, a month? For 2 days of play time and my investiment to the server, a permnanent ban for my first trouble with an admin is unjustified in my opinion.

Thanks for reading through this if you did, sorry for ranting but I really enjoyed roleplaying here and i've never had any major prior issues until this popped up.

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I know I'm not an admin but I'll try explain to you why you were banned for possible child predator, and yes, Kellerman went through logs and seen multiple sit commands just before you broke out of jail. (I'm not answering for his actions but I was on with him when he was checking everything). The reason you were banned for Possible Child Predator was because I sent Kellerman screenshots of You saying "Boys under 16 wanna base with me?" A "Teenager" or "Kid" wouldn't say "Boys" they generally say "Anyone wanna base or 'dude'". It seemed wrong or not right that someone who is 17 would come on to a CityRP server where there are lots of younger players made it more Suspicious. But for the Banning of the "Glitching Out Of Jail" Kellerman will have to explain that.

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ACCEPTED 

Ban is to be Reduced to 10 days for glitching and FailRP.

As for the child Predator, that is bullshit. I could walk around in a Herbert the pervert voice and ask kids if they want candy. That doesn't make me a predator that just makes me look dumb and stupid. This is Defcon, nearly every person does something dumb or stupid so that is not a valid reason to ban perm.

@Paul Kellerman

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Hey There "Steam Assistance Live,"

Despite your thought process leading you to believe that you were banned by someone with a "warped perception of reality... a pre-pubescent like power complex," I am an adult and fully capable of conducting an investigation to determine what appropriate steps should be taken in an allegation. This incident started with you running a red light across the main highway. I attempted to stop you, by activating my red/blues. You finally stopped at the casino; I don't believe you realized you were being pulled over. Once I followed you into the casino, I identified myself as Undersheriff Kellerman with the Paralake County Sheriff's Office and proceeded to speak to you. After I informed you that you ran a red light, you opted to immediately break character and state, "maybe on your screen but on mine I always hit the green... so no I didnt run any lights." After I repeatedly asked you for your license and registration, you asked if I had a search warrant for you. I explained to you that you violated a traffic law, which provides me with the probable cause to identify you. I further explained that you had a mask on, which also allowed me to identify you. Instead of showing me your license/registration, you simply stated, "i'm tyrone shicken" and proceeded to going back to what you were doing. At this point, I opted to place you under arrest. The moment I placed you in handcuffs, you said, "RDA" in chat and proceeded to sit down on the counter. In most circumstances I would have gone ahead and banned you for whatever time I was going to arrest you for, but since there were few people on the server that night, I opted to deal with you breaking the rules and teleported you off of the counter. After doing so, you wrote in admin chat, "Cops are making up fake reasons to metagame / powergame." Once we were at the Sheriff's Office, you decided to start spamming your flashlight, turning it off and on as fast as you could so it would make a ton of irritating noise, after having already stated that you were going AFK. After determining your identity at the Sheriff's Office, you were found to have an active warrant out for your arrest for one unpaid citation. At that point, I confirmed that I was taking you into custody and performed an administrative search on you, finding Cannabis (Low Quality) (x2), a DV2 knife, 1 lockpick, and a M45. At this point, I asked you if you had a license for anything on you, and you declined to answer. I added on the charges: Poss. of Cannabis, Poss. Contraband, Poss. Class 1 firearm. After processing you, I immediately went to the jail to ensure the doors were locked. Upon arrival, I found that one of the doors, the set closest to the elevator were opened. The inner doors however, were still closed and locked. I locked the open door and went back upstairs. Shortly after leaving, I spectated James Larry as I suspected he was breaking in to break you out, which he did attempt to do with only 2 cops on. I teleported to him and at that point he had only gotten through the first doors, again, the closest ones to the elevator. I was killed by him in the SIT, I froze him, teleported back, and spoke to him/banned him. Not long after that incident, you logged off. Within about 5 minutes after logging off, you logged back on and started driving your vehicle around the Sheriff's Office again and after I noticed, I checked the logs to find that you spammed the sit command while in jail approximately 40 times. At this point, I suspected that you glitched out of jail. Before I could question you, you logged off again.

 

Within the next hour, a person in the community brought up a concern, stating that they believed you were a Child Predator, because you were asking to base with boys who were 16 and under. Seeing as you don't use a mic and you were asking to base specifically with minors, it caught my attention. I spoke with another community member who stated that you were in communication on Kik with him, however you had not done anything inappropriate yet. A third party stated that you and this other person had a "thing."

 

Based off of the evidence in front of me, including your repetitive FailRPing by spamming your flashlight and sitting on the counter and stairs on the way to jail, as well as you glitching out of jail, and then taking into consideration the possibility that you may be a child predator with behavior that was considered rather suspicious, I decided that you were more of a threat to the community than a benefit and issued a permanent ban. It's rather impressive that a person who claims to be 17 years old can type rather elegantly and is quick to jump to the defamation law.

 

Your allegation of powergaming is rather vague and holds no proof or even any explanation of what I allegedly did to powergame you. I gave you ample opportunity to shoot me, run, comply, etc. I didn't detain you right out of the gate, and I tried to talk to you. If you failed to comply, that's your fault.

 

If you want to be treated with respect and act like a young adult, I will treat you as such. If you want to act like a child and mute me, rather than choosing to role-play, then you have no place here. I put up with WAY more than I should have or even had to. I will be appealing Mark's decision to reduce your ban to 10 days to @Savage as your conduct is completely unacceptable and due to the allegations against you and your conduct as of recently, I believe you have no place in this community.

 

Best Regards,

Paul Kellerman

CityRP Server Manager

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Hi there, Kellerman. I appreciate your time and your lengthy response and concerns, even though I respect Mark's decision in my 10 day ban, I understand your decision to have me permanently banned.

I'll go in order to your response with what I believe to had happened and what the logs can't differenciate between innocent and guilty, and how someone could easily misunderstand them. I'm a developer for a rather large DarkRP server (Won't be giving out any information publicly), and i've hosted a few sucessfull TTT servers over the past few years, since I was 14. The logs don't play out the actual events but only deaths, chat, sitting, etc. It doesn't go into detail and something like spamming precision tool while building could look as if someone's trying to crash a server, in retrospect, I always question people and try to investigate what happened during sits and use the logs and everyone's story to decipher wheather they're guilty or not.

The way you explained the situation seems very accurate , I did indeed have a lockpick, mt45, 2 cannabis sacs, and a knife. Typically I carry around 6 lockpicks, and I did previously have more lockpicks while I was lockpicking doors in the PD. You went into detail of FailRP, which I had already admitted of being guilty of, and that's a good reason to issue a ban, maybe not a permanent ban, but definitely something that can not go unnoticed. 

3 hours ago, Paul Kellerman said:

Within the next hour, a person in the community brought up a concern, stating that they believed you were a Child Predator

Does that "person in the community" happen to be Mitch? I remember having a disagrement with Mitch about my sexual orientation and they had seem bothered that I was dating someone within the server. People's opinion on homosexuality are quite diverse, however Mitch is sort of on the uninformed side of things when it comes to sexuality, and I could see someone like Mitch mistaking a healthy homosexual for a "child predator".

Also your comment about me not using my mic and asking to specifically base with minors, I do use my mic, but not at the late times, as I do not wish to disturb any of my family members, i'm friends with many young players on this server and most if not all of them have heard my voice ;)

The 40 or so sit commands were me stupidly trying to pick up an item off the ground while I was arrested still, then facepalming as soon as I realized you can't pick up weapons while still arrested, and the reason I reconnected to the server was my console was being flooded with script errors.

Now you and Mitch can -rep me all you want and try to get me re-banned, and you probably will succeed, I came here and made a ban appeal for the principal, a permanent ban is an injustice and everyone deserves a second chance if they intend to behave. Thank you you for reading, I hope to roleplay again in this wonderful server, if not, then it was a pleasure playing with you all :)

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 I have seen him do good RP and I believe he deserves a second chance.

   

 

 

 

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9 minutes ago, Sɪeam Assistance Live said:

Hi there, Kellerman. I appreciate your time and your lengthy response and concerns, even though I respect Marc's decision in my 10 day ban, I understand your decision to have me permanently banned.

I'll go in order to your response with what I believe to had happened and what the logs can't differenciate between innocent and guilty, and how someone could easily misunderstand them. I'm a developer for a rather large DarkRP server (Won't be giving out any information publicly), and i've hosted a few sucessfull TTT servers over the past few years, since I was 14. The logs don't play out the actual events but only deaths, chat, sitting, etc. It doesn't go into detail and something like spamming precision tool while building could look as if someone's trying to crash a server, in retrospect, I always question people and try to investigate what happened during sits and use the logs and everyone's story to decipher wheather they're guilty or not.

The way you explained the situation seems very accurate , I did indeed have a lockpick, mt45, 2 cannabis sacs, and a knife. Typically I carry around 6 lockpicks, and I did previously have more lockpicks while I was lockpicking doors in the PD. You went into detail of FailRP, which I had already admitted of being guilty of, and that's a good reason to issue a ban, maybe not a permanent ban, but definitelty something that can not go unnoticed. 

Does that "person in the community" happen to be Mitch? I remember having a disagrement with Mitch about my sexual orientation and they had seem bothered that I was dating someone within the server. People's opinion on homosexuality are quite diverse, however Mitch is sort of on the uninformed side of things when it comes to sexuality, and I could see someone like Mitch mistaking a healthy homosexual for a "child predator".

The 40 or so sit commands were me stupidly trying to pick up an item off the ground while I was arrested still, then facepalming as soon as I realized you can't pick up weapons while still arrested, and the reason I reconnected to the server was my console was being flooded with script errors.

 

Now you and Mitch can -rep me all you want and try to get me re-banned, and you probably will succeed, I came here and made a ban appeal for the principal, a permanent ban is an injustice and everyone deserves a second chance if they intend to behave. Thank you you for reading, I hope to roleplay again in this wonderful server, if not, then it was a pleasure playing with you all :)

Good Evening Steam Assistance Live,

I appreciate the fact that you have gone through great lengths to appeal your ban. The person whom I was referring to was Mitch. After receiving the complaint, I did investigate with the person that Mitch referred me to. I will not release that name on this thread to protect the person's privacy, however I will say that the person I questioned stated that you had not done or said anything inappropriate or made the person feel uncomfortable. Generally speaking, I am one to err on the side of caution. In which case, I would still prefer to see you permanently banned. However, I am willing to provide you with a second chance. I cannot definitively prove that you have malicious intent in regards to other persons of the same sex as you, nor can I prove that you are a different age than you claim to be. Therefore, I am willing to drop the "Possible Child Predator" portion of your ban off. However, one question still remains: Why do you name your steam profile, "Steam Assistance Live" among other names, which appear to be impersonating Steam personnel? While this is rather irrelevant to the ban, I am still curious to understand this. When investigating you, I found that your profile is less than a year old, which also makes me wonder: What other Steam names/accounts do you have? If what you say is true, you must have gone by other names or currently hold other accounts for the DarkRP server you own. Furthermore, I do want to clarify that I have not given you negative reputation.

 

-Kellerman

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1 minute ago, Paul Kellerman said:

Good Evening Steam Assistance Live,

I appreciate the fact that you have gone through great lengths to appeal your ban. The person whom I was referring to was Mitch. After receiving the complaint, I did investigate with the person that Mitch referred me to. I will not release that name on this thread to protect the person's privacy, however I will say that the person I questioned stated that you had not done or said anything inappropriate or made the person feel uncomfortable. Generally speaking, I am one to err on the side of caution. In which case, I would still prefer to see you permanently banned. However, I am willing to provide you with a second chance. I cannot definitively prove that you have malicious intent in regards to other persons of the same sex as you, nor can I prove that you are a different age than you claim to be. Therefore, I am willing to drop the "Possible Child Predator" portion of your ban off. However, one question still remains: Why do you name your steam profile, "Steam Assistance Live" among other names, which appear to be impersonating Steam personnel? While this is rather irrelevant to the ban, I am still curious to understand this. When investigating you, I found that your profile is less than a year old, which also makes me wonder: What other Steam names/accounts do you have? If what you say is true, you must have gone by other names or currently hold other accounts for the DarkRP server you own. Furthermore, I do want to clarify that I have not given you negative reputation.

 

-Kellerman

Hello Kellerman, The name is meant to be a joke because of the golden steam name glitch a week ago or so, so I was messing with my friends in steam chat, I kinda just kept the name. This is my main account but you probably won't find much information linking me to other servers, I have another account I used for GMod for mainly developing (Family shared copy) but as you can see, I have around 150 hours in the last 7 days on my Steam, claims of someone being a child predator are very severe and if this were to be in real life, then I would probably seek legal actions. This is very miniscule though, I joke around a lot with friends and someone in my friends list was mocking me after I asked the first time for teenagers to base with me, we had a good laugh and moved on. But honestly I really am 17, and I have a boyfriend, i'm sort of a femboy so I don't see myself having a very healthy relationship with someone if they are under 16. Lol.

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1 hour ago, Sɪeam Assistance Live said:

remember having a disagrement with Mitch about my sexual orientation

Before you start pointing fingers at me for having a disagreement about your sexuality, get evidence. I have multiple Family members that are gay or BI and I have nothing against that. It's not a choice to be your sexuality so stop making your shit excuses unless you can prove it, and I wish you luck proving I have a Disagreement with your sexuality because I never disagreed with it.

 

-Mitch

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1 hour ago, Sɪeam Assistance Live said:

Hello Kellerman, The name is meant to be a joke because of the golden steam name glitch a week ago or so, so I was messing with my friends in steam chat, I kinda just kept the name. This is my main account but you probably won't find much information linking me to other servers, I have another account I used for GMod for mainly developing (Family shared copy) but as you can see, I have around 150 hours in the last 7 days on my Steam, claims of someone being a child predator are very severe and if this were to be in real life, then I would probably seek legal actions. This is very miniscule though, I joke around a lot with friends and someone in my friends list was mocking me after I asked the first time for teenagers to base with me, we had a good laugh and moved on. But honestly I really am 17, and I have a boyfriend, i'm sort of a femboy so I don't see myself having a very healthy relationship with someone if they are under 16. Lol.

Understood. In this case, I will allow the ban to be lifted in 10 days. Please note that your conduct will be closely monitored and any further allegations may result in a ban lasting longer than 10 days and up to permanent.

 

-Kellerman

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